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Perhaps a silly question?
MisterEd - 9/16/2020 11:21 AM
Category: New Diver Q&A
Replies: 26

I haven’t been certified yet, do I need PADI certification to rent air cylinders?
warrenhulk - 9/16/2020 2:53 PM
Christopher is correct! Certification is a must for tank rental with air.
Airworks - 9/17/2020 1:56 AM
Doesn’t have to be PADI. Every major dive organization (SSI, NAUI, SDI, etc.) offer classes as first steps to Open Water certification.
Caloosa - 9/17/2020 6:23 AM
You need some sort of certification agency, doesn’t have to be PADI
MisterEd - 9/17/2020 7:15 AM
I will try to work out my issues with PADI. I paid around $800 ? for open water training training and I will be taking my final training lessons next week. My instructor charges $86 a session after 7 lessons, however, I do not know what my next lesson might entail nor do I know how many more sessions I need to prove I am open water worthy.

It’s a big mess, I think he has already made up his mind about my certification. Consequently I may need to repeat certain training exercises to demonstrate I qualify for open water certification. This may include extra training sessions and having to pay more money.
LatitudeAdjustment - 9/17/2020 9:51 AM
There are no silly questions but you may get silly answers on here :)
MisterEd - 9/17/2020 11:27 AM
That’s an excellent idea, I paid for OW certification so my instructor will have to hold up his part of the contract. This may work to my advantage as the temperatures are dropping in the Northeast.
ChristopherBurgert - 9/17/2020 12:59 PM
Sounds like he is scamming the hell out of you. I paid 250.00 for advanced open water in 2016.
Eric_R - 9/18/2020 7:22 PM
Is this instructor associated with a dive shop?
MisterEd - 9/18/2020 8:44 PM
He is an independent PADI instructor. I emailed PADI Quality and Assurance for an inquiry into my PADI instructor. I gave them how much i paid for lessons, fins, mask/snorkel and boots. I mentioned my instructor is leaning to scuba diver certification even though I paid for OW certification. Told about left foot weakness and that I bought webbed gloves to compensate for side roll and that I bought a purge mask for under weather mask clearing.

I Resume training next Thursday at that time I will ask to see my training log book.
Jase - 9/19/2020 8:13 PM
Yes generally, but it can be any recognized organization... doesn’t have to be P.A.D.I
MisterEd - 9/19/2020 9:00 PM
I assume he is PADI but who knows?
ChristopherBurgert - 9/21/2020 9:51 AM
Didn’t you already mention that he is a PADI instructor?
badkarma - 9/22/2020 10:50 AM
This is what i heard, No you don’t you will have to sign a release saying you are using the cylinder for anything other than scuba diving i.e. paint ball ect.
MisterEd - 9/22/2020 11:27 AM
He is a PADI instructor. Thursday I will ask to see my training log book. I’ll get an idea of my progress and if I need to redo any exercises. I hope to be objective when I see him Thursday and get what I set out to do in the first place.
LatitudeAdjustment - 9/23/2020 8:54 AM
From ChristopherBurgert: Didn’t you already mention that he is a PADI instructor?

My instructor had a PADI shop but could issue other cards like YMCA, he ended up losing his instructor card when he showed up for the check out dives drunk.

A couple of courses I took I didn’t bother getting the specialty cards for because no one would be asking to see them. Now they would count toward Master Diver but again that’s another one that no one ask to see.
MisterEd - 9/23/2020 4:14 PM
Simply enough I spoke to my instructor today and told him I paid for open water certification and will not accept anything less, he said OK.

That’s that all of my worry for nothing,
MisterEd - 9/24/2020 5:01 PM
I met with PADI instructor today. He told me this is the way its going to be, he went on to say he will give me scuba diver certification and I declined, The instructor said he will write a referral form for me.

The rest of today I wrote PADI who said look for another instructor, there is not one anywhere nearby unless I took a college class.

I reached out to a dive shop where I bought some gear, however, he is not a PADI certified instructor. He mentioned however, when I get the referral form he may be able to transfer credit to SSI, NAUI or SDI of he is licensed instructor.

Now I wait
Jase - 9/24/2020 11:13 PM
WOW.... it truly sux you have had so much trouble.. SSI , Naui or SDI are all good organisations.
I really would have thought PADI may have stepped up and assisted more.
Keep trying, it’ll all be worth it when you get certified.
ChristopherBurgert - 9/25/2020 5:58 AM
NAUI, SSI, SDI, and TDI are all good agencies.I never trusted PADI after the one shop close to me tried ripping me off on a wetsuit.
MisterEd - 9/25/2020 9:53 AM
My former instructor called me last night to mail his referral sheet and record of completed tasks. I’m excited to have another opportunity to complete diving skills and ultimately receive certification.

I am certain there will be additional costs but it will be worth it.
UnderwaterMartini - 12/06/2020 3:33 PM
Did it work out?

I got my cert in just a few days, but I completed all of the skills months in advance at a ’’discover scuba’’ thing in a pool. So the in the water training was the easy part.
MisterEd - 12/06/2020 5:31 PM
Cold water conditions postponed OW certification until Spring 2021. I’m 66 years old and concerned if my body and strength will hold up long enough to use my diving equipment. Recently I had gallbladder surgery and 9 teeth extracted with 3 implants for my lower jaw.

I’ve learned it takes a long time for me to recuperate, probably because of my advanced age, I try not to think it’s all downhill from here and even if it is, this is no way to enjoy life.

Because of covid my YMCA requests swimmers to reserve lanes for lap swim. I plan to call the Y tomorrow for 8:00am swim Tuesday and Friday before going to work.

Last week I made the mistake of swimming after acupuncture, obviously it was a bad decision.
UnderwaterMartini - 1/09/2021 2:09 PM
Hope it all works out. I’m waiting for warm weather to get my AOW hopefully this year. I could get that in a couple days in the Caribbean, but want to get better instruction up here.

It’s not uncommon for special needs divers to switch instructors. Some instructors specialize in issues, some don’t.

Y swimming with a snorkel really helped my diving. Plenty of mask flooding and purging drills helped. Pulling off a mask on the bottom of the Ocean, looking around, then putting it back on comfortably was part of every check out dive that I did.

Forgot my dive card on a boat dive once. And the mask thing at 30’ test, was how he decided that I was good enough to go diving.
MisterEd - 2/12/2021 8:34 AM
What’s involved with the OWC exam? As far as I can tell I completed the contained water skills. What is the difference between OW and pool dives?
UnderwaterMartini - 2/12/2021 6:34 PM
Nothing. Pool, open water, and 150fsw next to a wreck are almost completely the same. If you’re good in the pool, you’ll be fine elsewhere. Just remember that it’s only different in your mind.

I’m pretty certain that I completed all of the drills in a pool during a ’’discover scuba’’ class near Cincinnati.

My exam in the Dominican Republic was one dive of drills followed immediately by a short dive:

-Go down to about 40’ deep and hover over the bottom.
-remove goggles completely, look my instructor in the eye, get my picture taken, goggles back on, and then clear the goggles. You can use a few breaths to clear, there’s no time limit. Contacts, no contacts, doesn’t matter. No excuses, must be done. Goggle clearance drills are a pretty consistent way to see if divers are confident in the water. I once lost my dive card on a cruise, and he made me complete this drill to prove that I could dive ok.

-switch from one regulator to the back up second stage regulator, clear the reg however you like, I exhaled through it, and purged.
-switch back to my long hose regulator
-throw my long hose reg over my shoulder and out of sight. With no reg in my mouth, reach back, find the reg hose near the tank valve, and drag the hose back to my face and put the reg back in and purge.

-complete a follow the leader dive for about a half hour around a shipwreck with statues, and then surface behind a boat without chumming my head on a spinning prop (way back under the boat).

Just kidding, the engine was off for our beginner dives. But you had to perform a safe and proper surface behind the boat, and approach from the rear. If you got near the prop or nose of the boat, you failed. On Cozumel dives though, that prop will be spinning, keeping the boat off the reef or shore. If you surface behind the boat you’re 95% not going to get near it, if you surface in front of it, you’ll end up in someone’s ’’Lionfish tacos’’.

She explains the tests on the surface so you know what to do. She’ll demonstrate the drill underwater, then point to a diver, and that diver simply completes the same drill. Monkey see, monkey do. Then she points to each diver one at a time and they each complete the drill one at a time.

-after that dive, she told me to give my entire scuba unit to the dive boat captain from the water, and complete my swim test. Basically, she took the rest of that class to complete their first training on another dive, and I just had to stay afloat in the water without touching the boat, bottom, or anything, and not die, until they came back. Pretty easy, in floaty salt water. I was a little out of order because I was originally in another group, but obviously already squared away, and had a different vacation schedule.

-In the pool I had to jump in without the scuba unit. Free dive to the bottom where my scuba unit was sunk. Grab the reg, clear and start breathing off it, and completely put the unit back on. Swim around for a bit. Then remove the scuba unit completely without touching the surface, and put it back on again. Also easy, because I had a BP/W not a BCD. BCD’s with all their damn quick releases and snaps look easy to do this with, but are actually a PITA. You have to find and snap or un snap all of those. A BP/W can just be flung over the shoulder, then other shoulder. Some people cheat and ignore the crotch belt for this drill, or simply tuck it away. Lolz.

Don’t freak out if you fail some of the tests. There’s nothing wrong with that. You can keep practicing until you beat them all. But on the check out dive, you really should feel that the entire test is completely cake, before moving on. If you feel like you’re struggling, and they pass you, try to find some personal instruction. The basics really need to be perfectly easy, to the point that you can do all of them blind folder, or one handed, before you’re really safe.